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I can see if you're one of those folks who buy a new instrument every few months this might be a real benefit. None of my instruments need any breaking in and I'm not anticipating any new ones in the house any time soon. I find the idea a bit silly, but I've still got my money tied up in buggy whips, so what do I know?
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Mary, I thought the ToneRite would be perfect for you; how else could you possibly break in all those guitars and mandos (ukes too?) in your collection. You'd need to invite an entire orchestra over to get all those stringed instruments to open up
 Seriously, or not so much, my initial skepticism about the ToneRite is under review at this time, and I'm keeping an open mind for now. PhilD28, who are these luthiers who use/endorse the ToneRite? I'd also want some more feedback on the issue of whether use of the ToneRite could have any negative impact on the structural integrity of the guitar's braces, etc. Wouldn't want to screw up one of these great guitars in a quest to accelerate them opening up . . . . Tom |
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Tom,
ToneRight is officially endosed by Michael Lewis, Lewis Fine Guitars and Mandolins and Simon Ambrose - Ambrose Guitars (from Toneright publicity material). There seem to be quite a few other Luthiers chipping in, in praise of it on the Mandolin cafe forum. Yes the effect on structural integrity worried me a little - but then I thought about all of the abuse and really hard playing I gave the old D28 over the years(almost wore a hole in the front below the pickguard)and it was still structuraly very good and sounding great when I sold it. Hope this helps - check out the mando cafe thread. Phil D1,D-1A, C10 DB, OM-1A,1953 D18 |
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How do you know that you have too many guitars?
How do you know that you have too many wives? When you have to use a vibrator to take care of them Rip |
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Phild28, that was partly my point. When I did my due diligence, what I primarily saw were comments regarding violins and mandos. I want to get more info regarding larger body stringed instruments, spelled: G U I T A R S
 It's not as much an issue (i.e. whether to get a ToneRite) for me as for some others. My "collection" consists of three OMs, and all get alot of playing time. Still, I'm keeping an open mind and checking further on the subject. FWIW. Tom |
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I am very interested in the physics and materials science of this effect. For a disclaimer, I am most likely the worst musician ever to post on the Collings Forum. However, I might be one of the more experienced scientists here. Measuring perceived changes is extremely difficult to do. There are all sorts of biases which color the results. You have a gizmo that is supposed to make your guitar sound better, so to you it does. The power of suggestion is very hard to overcome. However there are well-established ways to do so. These "blind" and "double-blind" studies would be easy to do for this instrument, and should have been the first thing the company did to verify their effect. Well, maybe the second, after doing a careful spectral analysis of the before and after sound, showing that real changes occurred. That neither of these have apparently been done raise my level of skepticism.
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Tom,
You're right, the classical strings and mando people seem to be the ones mainly saying good things - just hoping that their experiences translate to guitars, mind cellos have fairly large bodies. My wife is a fiddler and she thinks i'm crazy buying a vibrator for the guitar and she knows everything! Phil D1,D-1A, C10 DB, OM-1A,1953 D18 |
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I agree. It really takes an open mind not to be persuaded by expectations, but the bottom line is if the buyer thinks the device improves their guitar, whether it is only in their mind or not, then why not? |
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I want to try one.
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I agree that the device may work quite well, however, I know that if I spent $150 on such a device, I would definitely detect a noticeable change in the tone of my instrument. To do otherwise would lead me to believe that I wasted my money, a most undesireable outcome.
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It's possible that they: -haven't thought of this -haven't had the opportunity -don't know how -don't have the equipment -don't think it would help sales -aren't scientists -all of the above I think it's a great idea - (practically) PROOF - but customer testimonies thus far have been quite positive. There's no chance that they'll convince everyone. Of course no one is required to buy it either. |
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elambo wrote:
To consider these one-by-one: -haven't thought of this = lack of thoughtfulness and thoroughness -haven't had the opportunity = lack of time, interest and/or motivation -don't know how = lack of knowledge -don't have the equipment = lack of resources -aren't scientists = lack of analytic thinking That leaves: -don't think it would help sales = lack of money I think I'd feel like a lackey if I bought one. |
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